User talk:Sxerks

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Hi, welcome to Animanga Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Gakuen Alice page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Dantman (Talk) 20:28, July 15, 2009


 * Your welcome, automated message.--Sxerks 20:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Heh, hilarious. Just so you know the delete template has a mode for mistakes and obvious deletions like the one you marked. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)


 * Sxerks, after you've copied an article for a base, could you try cleaning up the article. Sections like the character list can be removed, you can use the template to help link wiki relevant pages to the wiki, and trim the page to what's relevant to just the series. Like the intro and plot summary. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)


 * Animanga Wiki serves as a hub, with common articles as you mentioned, as well I plan to emphasize the social community a bit more. Draw users here to find other wiki by setting up general forums and user profiles later.
 * Series that don't currently have a wiki get the same treatment as other pages, the box suggests the creation of a wiki for any series without one. (Of course people can create wiki that combine relevant series together).
 * As for anime.wikia and manga.wikia I dunno, ideally those would just die off later. I've added a sitenotice to anime, added animanga to Anime, and in the future I'll probably tweak Wikia's hub and suggest a sitenotice on manga.wikia. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)
 * Btw you can ignore missing templates like the book cite. I don't have the main sync que here, I'm slowly creating a new one. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)

Template:Animangafooter
can we add this animanga hub to the footer, as part of the reverse promotion requirement? see w:Template:Animangafooter Gin-san (Talk) 13:32, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

delete blog post?
can I request for help to delete the 'testing blog post' I made? didn't expect it to turn up on the animanga main page, sorry! Gin-san (Talk) 11:54, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Logos
Just a small note but, adding logos to articles isn't really necessary. If you want that I can get the series template to do that automatically later, you can pull those manual logos out. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)

RE: logos and series template and xml
Aye, they are not categories, they are semantic annotations. Categories are limited, they only group pages at a flat level and you have to create a new page for each category (they aren't flexible). Semantic annotations associate a page (subject), by a property (what is the data about), and a value (the data for that property). This is a much more flexible methodology where we can do things like associate a series (page), by genre (property), with the "Action" genre (value). I can add a search icon up top like I did in the infoboxes on souleater.

Rather than XML semantics we annotate the page with can actually be extracted, used to browse the wiki, and used to generate lists on-wiki. As for the xml itself, I don't think that kind of data is particularly helpful. ANN and various other sources already have that kind of info, and that kind of info itself doesn't make for good starting info for wiki. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)


 * My preference is "Slice of Life" and "Science Fiction" (all lower is good for page text, but in lists up there title case is nicer). In any case Semantic MediaWiki normalizes by redirect, So if you create Slice of Life and redirect Slice of life, Slice-of-life, and Slice-of-Life to it then whatever people uses they will all properly normalize to Slice of Life.
 * Edit with Form, is part of Semantic Forms which is an extension to Semantic MediaWiki. To do those kind of things we'd need to create pages here which sorta voids the purpose. Also I really don't like the idea of mandating that kind of format. Wikis can do a lot better job than that, just take a look at w:c:souleater:Soul Resonance: Soul Eater, Becoming a Death Scythe?. External tools are never a nice way to create interleaving links, if you aren't going to do that manually the system should be built into the wiki. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)


 * Semantic forms only modifies templates. Basically it works by creating a template via form, and using form fields to populate the template. SF wouldn't be able to extract that data back out to let you modify it if it weren't a template. You might want to consider preloads instead. MediaWiki has a way of preloading text into the edit area when creating a new page. You can add a "Create a Page" input box somewhere like the main page (you can also add links to preloads in the area above the edit area in new page creation) and use the preload= parameter to tell MW to preload a page into the edit area when opening the edit page to create the page.
 * The real issue is that simply adding pages like that doesn't help. Remember the saying "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime", that's the same issue here. Add a new page to a wiki, the wiki has a new page... that was an edit made to the wiki, that's it. The wiki still doesn't have someone dedicated to adding content to the wiki. Unless you are dedicating yourself to editing the wiki, just dropping a page or two into a empty wiki isn't going to help the wiki because it still doesn't have a community trying to improve it. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 06:57, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a good thing to think about. Naruto, Soul Eater, and this wiki. Narutopedia has over 2k articles and is the 8th most heavy traffic on all of Wikia. Soul Eater is growing, is passed the 200 article mark, and was only adopted by me last December. This wiki was only created back in May, now it's passed the 50 article mark. All three of these wiki, I barely write anything on, but at the same time when I first got here they had basically no content at all, and no community editing them.
 * How did these wiki get to this point? A cascade effect. I dedicated a period of time when I first adopted the wiki to creating content (not much in this wiki's case, it's a little unique), and at the same time browsed the internet on forums and whatever and promoted the wiki and drove people to the wiki (joined forums, got involved in discussions, kept a wiki link in my sig, and whenever making a discussion point linked things like character names to wiki articles or pointed to facts on-wiki as a source for a comment). This is how wiki start, an atom bomb. In fact an atomic bomb is actually a fairly good analogy for a wiki. The striking of one atom hits others breaking them, which in turn hit others and break them, which in turn hit more, and so on and combined together a single strike induces an exponentially growing number of mini-explosions which turn into a gigantic explosion of immense proportions. Just like that I act as a trigger, I create a bunch of pages, introduce contributors which continue in a chain reaction that brings more people to the wiki that create content which brings in readers contributors and continues to expand. The lifetime of a wiki is like an explosion or a fire. Started by a simple trigger a chain reaction is started, bits get absorbed into the explosion, bits die off while others are created, it grows, and quickly becomes unrelated to the originating trigger, in essence it continues to grow as long as there is fuel/potential content, oxygen/a community, and heat/articles. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)

Editing format
The style of markup use on the wiki is looking fairly unpleasant. A few notes to clean up:
 * is a needless template Wikia decided to copy from Wikipedia. Just use.
 * Never used them, unless I missed deleting them from a Wikipedia copy--Sxerks
 * is another pointless one which has the same purpose at which has been around Wikia for quite some time before they added that to the default list. In any case 99% of the time there is no reason for either template to show up in an article.
 * Never used them, unless I missed deleting them from a Wikipedia copy--Sxerks
 * and are actually intended to be used at the top of articles. In fact the css is directly written for that purpose, it's styling it for the opposite location it's being placed right now.
 * I know the css puts it there. It, of course, looks horrible at the top and is better situated at the bottom along with refs and notes. I assume you agree they look bad up there, or you would have moved them in the last few edits you did.--Sxerks
 * I left them be cause I left them be. I just didn't touch them for now. What was ugly about them at the top? They actually seem to look better up top here than they do on other wiki with that curved edge around the logo jutting in. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)
 * It's mainly a distraction, especially with 2 of them. I see "Wikipedia" + "FromWikia" as references to where the content came from just like normal refs and they should be down in that section.  The boxes themselves look fine, but the page looks better when it gets right to the text.--Sxerks
 * I've seen some articles with   being used to separate paragraphs instead of an empty line.
 * Never used them. Is the Rich Text Editor turned off on this wiki? might be coming from there.--Sxerks
 * Not disabled... depending on the case I might have to request it. Considering templates like translation it might be a good idea (RTE is bad with inline templates like that) ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)
 * I wrote a template awhile ago. It's fairly preferable rather than using interwiki links as you get to omit needles portions of the link.
 * Yep, forgot about it, though the only real difference is "c:", as the pagename and what is displayed may be different.--Sxerks
 * w:c:naruto:Naruto Uzumaki -> actually. Big point is you can omit the additional repetition of the article name in the display text. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)
 * Yep, I know, I was pointing out if you didn't want the full name displayed you end up using about the same amount of text.--Sxerks
 * has a |lit meaning= parameter for lit. text.
 * OK--Sxerks
 * ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman(Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk)

re:Animanga link
LOL, we already have the Wikia Central Template:Animangafooter, the admin on one of my sites is already complaining that the sidebar navigation menu is too long :) and what's up with damn Wikia with those BIG edit counts on the top right of our user page?!?! Gin-san (Talk) 16:15, September 23, 2009 (UTC)