Thank you for the reply. Fandyllic it is not acceptable to dismiss an in-depth, detailed, and much needed rebuttal to trying to conflate yaoi and shotacon as a ‘rant’ more so when it was anything but. Then given the effort surely it seems a case that engagement is better. When moderation is taking place to keep the wiki safe, updates are not ‘rants’ it is good to better articles, keep them accurate, and free from bigotry.
You are definitely exaggerating the connection between the two which I'm sure 99% of the readers on these discussions could care less about.
Um, well the opposite in both cases. First, it is saying that there is no connection between yaoi and shotacon. Again, kindly do not be dismissive by saying that many people may not care about this. May I direct you to the number one guideline rule for the wiki: "Be nice and treat people with respect." For the article content it is about correcting preconceptions and outright misinformation on articles. No one cares? Who cares, the post helpfully explained why there were updates to articles and the harmful stereotypes some were reinforcing, regardless.
because like I just said... almost no one cares.
Therefore the points aren’t valid? So the page should not be corrected? Kindly stop insisting that no one cares, then in any event find someone who does care. You clearly care (enough to emphasize how no one cares) and that’s good. Your claims are at odds with reality, there is another user here who cares. From the many other Discussions posts recently added this one remains at the very top of the "HOT" list, people are evidently interested in this topic. It would be disturbing if there was no one who cared given the subject. As with the yaoi and shotacon area it is time to start getting facts correct. In any case, some bad faith actors insist that homosexuality can be thought of as the same as underage abuse, as the same as bestiality among others. It’s libellous, done on purpose to tarnish groups.
All that said, I won't revert your edits,
There may very well be merits to a practice of saying something, but acting another way, however there is no need to share them. You stated you don’t care, but you couldn’t comment quick enough to insist that you don’t… So your claims are believable… You won’t revert the edits, but you have done though... You are clearly here to help the wiki... See how this edit on the right https://animanga.fandom.com/wiki/Shotacon?diff=prev&oldid=92646 shows an outright attempt to place shotacon and yaoi in the same vein.
Yaoi is referring to same-sex relations, but not those involving children. That was the purpose of the whole hypothetical genre that could be used to classify opposite-sex relations, where adding series involving child abuse to that genre would be a tactic used to demonize adults in consenting relationships, and readers who view such works. It’s not categorising among gender lines, but also age. If people like a genre that has men and women in relationships, would they want to see children: boys and girls, in inappropriate relationships? No. They are to be kept firmly detached and apart. That is technically accurate, which is important for an information documenting site. Shotacon is an own genre after all, yaoi has a different name since it is a different matter. There could be ‘straight’ ‘loli’ to use the terms and so recommendations for those who like men and woman can include series that have boys and girls? The ignorance is harmful, and not particularly helpful. Imagine your Netflix recommendations seeing you saw a nice romance featuring a man and woman, so then decided you must want to see some shocking series about children together.
The woeful lack of comprehension is more apparent with looking to the term “boys love” as firm confirmation for one’s biased views. The boys love term originated from girls who were fans of same-sex works, they called it boys love to match their demographic though in practice it would be ‘mans' love’. For male characters their age, the boys love term covers the shounen-ai emotions based aspect of works. When you are introducing partners “this is my boyfriend” it’s not literally a boy. Boyfriend/girlfriend, it is apparent to all these are figures of speech used to refer to one’s, non-child, significant other. There are the words "boys love" so that is literally involving young boys love in sexual based relations? That’s insane, shotacon covers underage, illegal and abuse based situations of which the content is made for… well, sex offenders who should be behind bars, it is not the same as yaoi or shonen-ai and how dare anyone, let alone an account that wants to help in a wiki moderation capacity affirm it is.
For the surprising user conduct, from someone who is supposed to be in a helpful capacity as moderator, some edits have been kept intact possibly because they are known to be correct, but yaoi has still been linked with shotacon for one edit, perhaps to ‘prove a point’ who can say. It is similar to insisting that no one cares, to... Well who can say... (And who cares). Fandyllic for the edit done in your account name, shotacon that pairs males is not more yaoi or “boys’ love”, it is more criminal perverted like given the whole children in erotic situations, the entire child abuse based transgression. Readers are going to see that and link yaoi with chid abuse because of your intentionally harmful misinformation. Yet let it be guessed, you don't care and the thread will be closed when your brazen misconduct, and disgraceful attitude to this is addressed?
Regarding the matter, why on earth would posts be locked when harmful stereotypes are being challenged and corrected? Please display the rule that states it is forbidden to firmly separate child related content and that concerning legal relationships.
Okay. So I have to ask what is the difference between this and my post on genre so I can do better.
Hello to @Kiritodragneel18 since it has been raised, for what else that would like to be discussed, it may be helpful to state that for both the participants here, please keep comments on topic related to the titular post. The conversation on not being able to share opinions, even though opinions are apparently what most people post, but it’s not a free-for-all, yet there are guidelines, that do not in fact discourage opinions... Indeed even state that participants are to, of which this can be quoted:
be open-minded about differing opinions.
Insisting that no one cares for them, and desiring to lock posts would not count as that… Then the opinion that there is nothing great about sharing opinions, despite opinions being all that was shared initially, this contradictory and out of place cycle is quite extraordinary and not welcome here, more so given the serious nature of the topic at hand. A matter of engaging with contradictory and nonsensical moderation is a different topic for participants who are interested in such a discussion, elsewhere.
An account that has been trusted with moderation, that surely must be familiar with documenting accurate facts, there is no way this conflation of yaoi and shotacon can be put done to ignorance, or a lack of understanding, this is clearly intentional, and is in keeping with the disparaging tone of said moderation. On other wikis in the past it has been observed how some users used anti-lgbtq+ terminology. It reached the point where Fandom had to dedicate lgbtq+ resources for the problem. An ingrained prejudice, the insistence that yaoi should be thought along the same lines as shotacon is the problem here, a dismissive reaction to correcting an article, belittling the idea as being of little worth by reiterating how no one cares ("thanks for the updates" would have done fine) and then actually re-adding harmful ideas as a best case scenario won't do.
Still, corrections are all that matter and second chances are nice. @Fandyllic for this article dealing with inappropriate underage areas: https://animanga.fandom.com/wiki/Shotacon may you remove what you wrote, the references to yaoi, the line “which would be more [[yaoi]] or "boys' love" type” is the text good to be deleted. I would do it myself but you do not strike me as of a sound character so you would probably invent it was some kind of edit warring, if that is the term, as a pretext for further unsuitable conduct from yourself. “Yaoi is not related to shotacon at all” seems to succinctly cover why for the edit summary. Perhaps this message can be linked, notably with the “this is my boyfriend” example not literally being a criminal relationship with a boy, the same with shotacon and the separate boys love/yaoi/shounen-ai and so forth.
