hey, lorenzo here. so, apperently i was banned/blocked for being racist, because i uses the n word in a formal, non derogatory way. can u look into it. i will post the thread to see if u want to look at it first. https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:263121 thanks, btw. ps idk if i was in the wrong or not, but guess what- i made a thread for this kinda thing, and people dont seem to be using it, so u might as shut it down if u want. oh, and i did try to talk to tau, who banned me, but i cant.
Last time you were blocked I was explicit in saying you weren't allowed to use the n word. And I believe another user was kind enough to try and explain why even what you consider to be non derogatory can be considered offensive.
You're really just shooting yourself in the foot by continuing to use it after you've already been warned by multiple people.
this is a different case tho. i was talking about a non-existent being, instead of how the first time was how i said that someone was the n word; and even if u think that its derogatory, i didnt use it as such, as u can see. its like trying to arrest someone for murder that was caused by a car accident.
We did not tell you that you weren't allowed to direct the n word at other users; we explicitly said you were not allowed to use the n word, whether it is directed at a user or not is irrelevant.
And if you want to bring analogies into this and equate directing the n word at a user to murder, then this would be a case of a repeat offender with a prior murder on record being arrested for a car accident that resulted in someone's death due to criminal negligence.
u actually answered quickly lol. look, i get that the wiki considers this an offense, but how can u actually block me if im not even being racist? i totally get that blocks are needed from time to time, but i like stuff to be justified as well. and then i got called primitive for using that word, and i just gotta take it apparently? u can ban/block for people being racist- actually, u should. but i wasn't being racist, at all. if i was, i wouldnt have come here, asking for ur help. ive been blocked before, and i took the punishment, but i felt 'unjustified' this time around, looking for counseling. otherwise, i wouldnt have even considered coming here.
idk if u remember the talk we had, but i will consider it to be so lol. can u round up the mods so that we can about it? PS IF U DONT REMEMBER WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, GO TO THE THREAD UNDER THIS ONE NAMED 'FUNNY'.
when i asked for ur help on a thread i was making, u dont answer, but u have the time to read 20 pics of insults all day it seems... thanks...
PS "Lorenzo, your recent behaviour in this topic was unacceptably toxic. You were the first user to start using personal insults to attack other users in the discussion, and you continued this behaviour of uncontextual personal insults mostly on your own. You also do not seem to understand the implication of warnings and temp blocks – you essentially bragged about being blocked multiple times before. Warnings are demands to stop, and temp bans are there to give you time to cool down and understand you have crossed a line. Continuing behaviour after you've been warned and temp banned will not result in more temp bans and warnings, it will result in a permanent block.
You've been blocked for 2 weeks, clean up your behaviour when you return. No personal insults. No insulting users based on "relationships" with characters, no implying another user has dropped out of school, curb your use of sexist "like a man" comments, and no use of the n word here."
(this is what u said to me, btw)- so yeah, im not here to make excuses btw, im actually here trying to help. no, im not bragging, as u said above, all imma say now that im likely the most troublesome user in wiki, as far as ive have seen, so i feel like i should address some things. first off, the thing that kinda bothers me most, and feel that it should be looked over a bit more, is the use of the n word. i have been using since i first got here, and for some reason or another, u and rachin have a problem with it now. if u wanna make it a blockable case, then do so, instead of jumping around the fire. secondly, i saw ur talk about the non existent abuse button thingy, i actually feel like we should make something of the sort. since im blocked, i cant ask anything to the other mods, but what i have seen done before is a thread made by a sysop/mod where people can put in complaints. it works really well actually. think about it if u can. oh, and saying im a man is sexist? wth is that even supposed to mean man??
I'm not really on the wiki to help with content requests anymore. I only get dragged back to manage things when things really get out of hand.
I have not been sent screenshots by any of the involved users. The wiki itself keeps track of everything. I read through the toxic discussion itself, the user talkpage discussions, and checked out your contribution histories in order to determine how to handle the situation.
Please do not use Wikia's cross-wiki functionality to expand disputes across multiple wiki.
Sorry, I get notifications quickly but I am slow at writing. I started writing my message before you edited your message and I didn't get notified of your edit. This is actually why I often end up ignoring talkpage requests for programming/template/infobox assistance and questions that others can answer. It would take me a significant amount of time just to write a message turning them down.
The first two examples of behaviour I gave were the reasons for the block. The following two requests were for behaviour I wanted you to be aware of and curb in the future.
We actually have a requests page which appears to be linked in a message at the top of topics. I'm not sure how well a forum version of that will work, given that the forums are not designed to handle long topics like this one would become.
And sorry for not explaining. The sexist phrasing is not phrasing where you identify yourself as a man or male, but is in response to your " if i wanna discuss and talk shit, i do it like a man" comment.
I was hoping that while you reflect on the reasons you were blocked, you might consider the implications of other things you say. The commonly used "like a man" phrase ending is one that comes from a history of toxic masculinity. It's culturally normal to use because it was once culturally acceptable to shame men for not behaving in ways culturally deemed as masculine and shame women for behaving in ways deemed masculine. The phrase end doubly implies that it's wrong for a man to not behave in the way described in the phrase and wrong for a women to behave in the way described. I want you to understand that when phrases like these are used they reinforce negative cultural norms about gender, norms related to things that have historically caused people psychological harm.
Ideally the most civil way to write messages is to avoid writing an extra sentence when the sentence before already conveyed your point and the following sentence doesn't add anything and may simply aggravate the other party and turn a civil discussion into an argument. In this context your first sentence "sorry, not me." already conveyed your point. Personally even I find myself writing extra to try and enforce or explain a point I am making and end up deleting what I've written while writing it after realizing that it doesn't improve my point and instead may just turn the discussion into a pointless argument.
That said, that's pretty difficult to do sometimes so here's an alternate thought. Most of the time when you'd end a sentence with "like a man" the phrase end "like an adult" actually conveys the same intent, but is linked to the maturity of having grown up and learned life lessons instead of being linked to gender norms.
for the part about getting messages deleted, they seem to get deleted quite often when u start to write something, but took too long to finish it (thats the pattern i seem to have noticed, so it doenst really matter how big ur comment is. say that u were writing "yes, i will" but then something came up, and u only wound up writing "yes..", but then u tried to finish it later, it will delete ur message). just a tip, i guess, since it does kinda apply to big texts, since u will take a long time writing those anyhow.....
back to the main part- it matters not the reason of the block, as long as i know what i should or should not do, so no need to explain urself...
for the "man" part of it- dude, im still in highschool. what i wrote barely even applies to me ok? i see what u mean by that tho. the point i was trying to make across was one of boldness, and honesty, and not one of some macho libre type shit. dude, i couldn't care less if men shouldn't hit women or not ok? that's not my point. but i understand. next time, ill just say "i dont sneak around" lol (almost spelled lol with a 0 instead of an o lol)....
last but not least, the complaint thingy- well, if u have one already (a place to put those, i mean) then its not my problem BUT THIS IS LITERALLY THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD OF SUCH A THING, AND APPARENTLY IM NOT THE FIRST. if i may go into detail, the tread that i have seen done before is a '250 max comment' (at all times) thread, where u deal with more than one mod, so no bias (unless ur really fucked lol, as in my case lol), and if u feel like its unfair, u can ask for another mod to look at the situation from another angle. its pretty effective if u ask me. and u wanna know why i think this would be great on the naruto wiki? its cuz of how many users there are. the thread i saw this was on a much more populated, and 'ruthless' wiki, and even then, they organized it pretty well. this thread thingy would work wonders on the naruto wiki. we barely have trouble like this there, and there arent many active, on a daily-basis users there either, which softens the blow so much more.
Ok. When the block is up could you link some of the forum mods to the other wiki's requests thread / how it works there so the people who manage the form the most could put together something that works.
I'm not sure what to do about visibility though. The link is in a message at the top of every thread. It's hard to think of what else you could do to make it more visible.
i.. dont get what u really mean, so ill read back to u, but in English lol (but im glad to help anyhow)..
u want me to link our mods to where the thread i talked about? sure. i go there pretty much everyday (the wiki, i mean)..
visibility as in how people will get hold of it, and its location and whatnot? wjhat they do is highlight the thread, so everybody has it in their 'message pop thingy', at least, and it will stay there. PS another good thing about is that u dont need to make a new one every once in awhile just cuz of inactivity. what they do is just let people comment on it whenever, and since a lot of mods follow said thread, ur message is bound to be seen one way or another...
thats my sum of it. since im blocked, i cant link it right now, but i will prolly forget it in a while, so ill just look for rachin and some other mods ik, link it to them, fill them in on what i told, and maybe if they like it, i will ask them to help me out in spreading said link to other mods.
hahaha well, guess what just happened? the whole message (a big one at that) to seelantau that i just wrote got totally deleted before i could copy, and pass it on lol oh my life lol here we go again... or maybe not actually? for some reason, i cant seem to be able to see said message.. huh, weird.. another report- interestingly, lol i have gotten support of this idea on another wiki hahaha just my luck. since i am nothing but a regualr user, i told said supporter to look for u, if he has any doubts, or wants to help. sorry if that wasnt ok. i only told him so, because of my lack of reachability on some wikis, as i am banned/blocked.
I was going to help AsianReaper by being his eyes and ears to help the forums be more cleaner. I'm newish so I didn't even know I couldn't use the talk pages to debate. I got called a poser, loser, dumb, gay (said I was looking for a daddy), and all these things. All I said was he couldn't read :I due to him not being able to discern who said what. Now Lone is unbanned, NinjaChris the one insulting everyone is banned for only a week, and I'm banned forever. By the way, I seen you answer my Abuse Filter question. Thanks. Although, I suppose knowing that won't help me out now.
and it seems more than just Kunoichi were unjustly blocked by Seelentau.. isn't he just a translator?? Why does he have the privilege to block users? he also seems to do these blocks based on his own personal feelings...